Formula E has the best track limits rules

Speaking of nostalgia, I did a small review of my '10 years in LFS' about a year ago:

https://www.facebook.com/micha ... 00/posts/4999071990117482

Had a great time going through all the stuff I've experienced in that time, so many great memories, friendships, battles, championships,... I don't regret a single second spent here

Quote from FIZ :

If you do take ANY complain as offensive, as "being upset", you know why NOBODY ELSE is willing to do any criticism.

For you is perfect as it is SO IT SHOULD BE FOR ANYONE ELSE.
Good way to make people wanting to not say things out loud anymore.

There is difference between complaining and constructive criticism, and sorry, but your post feels very much like the first listed option.
If you come to me and say "I think your mod has wrong drag values" I'll check and if you're right, I'll appreciate your feedback.
But you come and say "I think your mod sucks because it is not frequently updated and doesn't have hundred of fancy skins". That is not constructive criticism, it is just expression of it not being up to your personal standards.

And I nowhere said it is perfect, I had to cut some corners to make it work and already have ideas on how to improve the next championship.

Quote from FIZ :

Very good mods have multiple changes, because they are refined. I can provide example since for you this is new.

For me hundreds of updates being the sign of high quality is definitely a new thing. Almost like I spent half a year building it offline just so I don't have to spam it hundred times to the world.

Quote from FIZ :

Formula category is very important.
More detailed skins are important.

I agree on the category part, however I have already explained why this car is not in the formula category (even if it was a difficult decision).
However I disagree with the desperate need for having fancy skins, I thought this 'game' is about physics simulation in first place, which is where I spent majority of my work at. The car has full skin support and plenty of great community-made skins emerged since then...

Quote from FIZ :

I absolutely am going to not partecipate to such a counter productive event, where the track is not existing, skins are just colours, people drive formulas using handbrakes.

Noone is forcing you to attend the event that had massive impact on the recent evolution of LFS, where tracks are highly accurate replicas of their real counterparts (even if we are essentially racing on a massive parking lot), where the field is very coulourful due to proper skin support,...

Seeing your concern over the singleseater with handbrake, I can imagine that if it was 2013 today, you would accuse me of making shit up, because there is no such thing as an electric-powered formula car and I make the game so 'unrealistic'.

Quote from FIZ :

What you missed in my post is that this mod is below acceptable condition to be included in a proper SIMULATIVE racing competition.
If you are not able to understand the word simulation, that's why you can't comprehend what I said.

Absolutely below acceptable condition indeed. In a world of mods lacking shadows, skin support, proper driver animation, having questionable physics, this one is clearly poorly done.

I think we have different opinion on what 'simulation' atually is.
You seem to feel that simulation is "an attempt to replicate something from the real world as closely as possible at all costs".
Meanwhile to me a simulation is a solution to a question of "what would happen if 'this' was done in the real world?" The simulation uses real-world physics equations and assumptions to tell us how such cars would behave if they did exist (EV singleseaters already exist and while there are not any with handbrake, it is still technologically possible even if no-one has done it and it definitely is not a reason why we should not be allowed to try it in this simulation).
In that case trying to comprehend what you are trying to say is pretty much impossible...

Or should I approach Kerbal Space Program developers and tell them to scrap their work because their imaginative in-game solar system is significantly downscaled and therefore inaccurate, unenjoyable and worthless?

Quote from FIZ :

Can you please do me an example of something on LFS more important than the bigger problems in the world?

Apparently a formula car with handbrake.

I appeciate your concerns over my creations and the well-being if LFS.

Let me break it down for you:

Quote from FIZ :

If I search for a formula, I expect to find formulas, it is that simple.

Surely would be handy to have formula class vehicles with lights support, but until then the car has to stay in different vehicle class for reasons specified above. Deal with it.

Quote from FIZ :

it has 3/5 stars votes

Well, before the rating got flooded with 1-star votes from guys upset that the car got the 'approved' shortly after its release (for the record I did not request it), it was sitting at pretty good rating of around 4,5 stars. Now it has 'only' 3,6 stars because some kids simply couldn't handle their tantrum...
But unlike you, I don't mind as I know what this car is worth of regardless of the review-bombing.

Quote from FIZ :

very few updates

Almost like having few updates is a bad thing... Unlike most 'modders' here who upload the mod as soon as they put the sketchfab-laundered 3D model onto random LFS wheels and then reupload it with little tweaks frequently (essentially just spamming our hard drives and the main server depository), this vehicle was in development for nearly half a year before it even went online and as a consequence most errors have been caught in that phase. Since the release there was single update containing the fixes for few things that were unnoticed and one more is scheduled for the next week. No other updates are needed so I don't see a single reason why there should be many...

Quote from FIZ :

no real skins

The vehicle has full skin support and there are tons of great skins made by the E-Challenge competitors
(https://www.lfs.net/forum/thre ... E-Challenge-2023----Skins)
The default skins are very elementary, but they are sufficient; don't understand your upset about it.

Quote from FIZ :

it has a horn and a handbrake (btw some pilot used it during the last race on march 12th, I saw it clearly and the commentator too!!).

Yes, it has horn and handbrake, so what? Although not intended, I'm not losing my mind over that, there are way bigger problems in the world than a virtual formula car with horn and you seem to be the only one who gets hurt from it. And it has handbrake as well, because why not? I'm aware it is there, competitors are aware it is there, we did not ban its use in the championship, so I don't know where's the big deal.
I could make AWD formula car (which is actually very possible with EV powertrains as well) and you can't stop me from doing so. I'm here to make new stuff while you are here to complain, that's why I'm running a very unique racing championship and you are writing sad posts...

Quote from FIZ :

It was not enough already knowing the weather change is "simulated" changing tires.
LFS is gone fully arcade and nobody cares.. wow

I'm open to trying new things and pushing the limits of what is possible. And as a part of trying to break the sterility of LFS we are simulating wet conditions with low-adhesion tyres (Imagine that!! how unrealistic) in this very specific championship. If you don't like that concept, then simply don't join (oh wait, nevermind) and let us enjoy the racing with new variables while you stay salty about us having fun.

Or go make a better more 'accurate' car that does not stand out.

Last edited by michal 1279, Wed 15 Mar 2023, 20:08.

Quote from FIZ :

Why is this vehicle class "Touring car"?

Because I wanted to implement some illuminable stripes over the car's body - unfortunately formula class vehicles do not support headlights function, so to make it happen I had to switch to traditional car class.

As a consequence it also has horn and handbrake, but I don't mind

Entries re-opened after Round 4!
Let's have some good attendance numbers in Adelaide

Quote from MrWave :

Hi, I'm a bit confused about the engine power rule. Are we meant to put 14% restrictor in our setup, or does the server give it to us automatically?

You have to put it manually in your race setup.

Quote from matze54564 :

But 1000 / 60 = 16.6666666666666 and 300 / 60 = 5

This mean, 300 is better than 1000.

Nah, it means that every 16th or 17th frame is used for the rendering instead of every 5th or 6th.
You will not notice any difference but the physics will be better.

Therefore 1000 Hz wins

Quote from Sobis :

Just to clarify the boost rule - I must use the boost exactly 3 times during the race, no more, no less. If the race is declared WET, the min 3 requirement is no longer in place (can be used 0, 1, 2 times) but max 3 is still there, right?

Exactly like that

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Quote from Scawen :

Thanks, I've moved the posts to a new thread.

Interesting thoughts that the new version might help with this, and even the thought of a slight rename with that version, so that journalists don't keep saying it's a 20 year old game and implying that the developers have vanished. Though there is a slight problem with that as it really is an ongoing project. When the 'big release' comes out there will still be some outdated stuff remaining that Eric and I still want to work on.

Anyway it's not a big deal, just slightly annoying to hear the same old crap which is just made up on the spot, or copied from other journos. Or maybe they are confusing it with some other old game, it does sound a bit like that. Probably the guy is quite young too as he appears to think that wheel support is something new, doesn't realise LFS had support for FF wheels long before 2002. But now I'm making up my own stuff.

Anyway nothing more important than the new version that we are still working hard on!

To be fair, the "rebranding" is not that uncommon, I don't even have to go far for a real life example:

There is a spaceflight/engineering game similar to Kerbal Space Program. For 6 year it was simply called "SimpleRockets2". Few weeks ago they went out of early access / pre-1.0 state and they did rebrand the game to a new name "Juno: New Origins". There was no apparent reason to do so, they just felt the need, that the game that was very same to 0.9something version of SR2 requires a new name.

So the 1.0 version of SR2 was named Juno: New Origins.
And really, while the SR2 was mostly reffered as a 6 years old clone of KSP, the J:NO title held some sense of novelty despite being the very same game and the general public perception appeared to consider J:NO to be a newly released game after all...


So I think rebranding LFS might help a bit in this sense, although I'd prefer not to do it that way (just saying it seems to be a viable option).

Vehicle mod: E-CHALLENGER EVO
Details page: https://www.lfs.net/files/vehmods/74E320

SHORT DESCRIPTION:

Quote :

Inspired by the FormulaE Gen3 electric single-seater

DESCRIPTION:

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The new generation of electric single-seater with 350 kW of power.
Smaller, lighter and faster than its predecessor.
Inspired by Formula E Gen3 car.
The physics model is built in accordance with the actual technical regulations for the Gen3 vehicle.

Official competition vehicle for the Master Race car's E-Challenge championship.

Vehicle comes in four configurations: with semi-transparent halo, with full halo and either with or without light stripes.

Slick tyres are available as well as the road tyres compound to simulate wet weather racing - the car is extremely challenging to drive with them though.

COVER SCREENSHOT:

Quote from MousemanLV :

Hard to make a proper mod when you can't even name the car as intended, but are forced to work around it. No OE brands, symbols.

Well, if you find the biggest obstacle in modding being the inability to name the car the way you want because you don't have legal permission from the manufacturer, then you can't be taken seriously...

Quote from MousemanLV :

Those electric formulas are a joke anyway gg wp

Did you even try to drive it?
If yes, thanks for useless feedback.
If not, thanks for useless comment.

LFSW name: michal 1279
In-game name: [MRc] Michal
Full team name: Master Race car
Nation: Czechia

My engine damage experience from past is that 0,47% of damage in UFR did cost us over a second per lap at KY3; similarly 0,8% damage in XRR at AS4 did cost me around 1 second per lap as well.

So I think 95% engine health (5% damage) is actually a massive damage and huge performance drop; it would be a critical damage already if there was such damage category beyond minor and major.

https://en.lfsmanual.net/wiki/Script_Guide

Already invented, just not too many ppl using it...

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E-Challenge 2023 - Rules

Attached are the rules for the MRc E-Challenge 2023. Please review them. The NDR Sporting Code is in effect with this series.

Last edited by michal 1279, Sun 15 Jan 2023, 11:26.

Note: The clean skin template and wireframe are attached at the end of the post.


All skins have to have a clearly visible entry number element on the following places:

Nose of the car
Side of the bodywork

Drivers are free to use any font or resize the number at their will, assuming the number remains well-visible from most angles.

There are no other mandatory elements, however we highly welcome if you place the logo of the event, its organisers or partners on the car - feel free to use the logo pack archive attached to this post.

Also, just like the last year, if you do not have the skill, time, or will to create the valid car skin, feel free to contact us here or via Discord, telling your number and preferred colour combination and we will make a simple rules-valid skin for you.

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